accountability. it is a two-way street. >> and update to is the story that we got tonight, john paul dejoria saying that he got a signed letter, but it is different than he expected, because it says that he will not run for re-election if he breaks a campaign promise which he lists in the letter. we will have more on that, but in the meantime v a wonderful weekend. here is "piers morgan." tonight, the last word of the republican national convention, and my candid conversation with chris christie and jeb bush. >> i love my country, and i see decline in the future, and unless we begin to solve the problems. >> john and cindy mccain and tough talk on todd akin. >> he should not be on the republican party in missouri. >> barack obama believes that the government should do more and that you cannot trust private sector. >> and condoleezza rice, and why

she did not want to be romney's running mate. >> what they wanted, dr. rice, is for you to be a v.p. and the real power of the position. >> well, they probably didn't want that, and especially me. >> and the mitt romney you don't know from his sons. >> he said he seems laid back, right? >> no, the hair is too perfect. >> this is "piers morgan" tonight. perfect. >> this is piers morgan tonight." >> good evening. i'm here at the cnn grill where the republican convention has been wrapping us. it's been a big week for the party. tonight we begin with faith, family and mitt romney. the candidates' sons are on a mission. today their dad more likable, more down to earth. they're the the young men who defend mitt romney. with their mother ann they just might be his secret weapons. >> ben, craig, tag, josh, matt. >> very good. >> can you do it without the ear

piece in? >> no one was giving me information. i'm just trying to remember. now we're at the crucial stage of the campaign. your father is within breathing distance of the white house. big pressure. how are you guys coping as his sons with all the negativity that begins to pour down on what is your dad's head? what do you think? >> you know, you don't worry about the negativity. it comes with the territory. you knew it was coming before we got in. just kind of roll with it and keep moving and try to get your own message out there which is a positive vision for what my dad believes america can get back to. try to get the 23 million people out of work back to wompblwork. he and paul ryan will do all they can to break through all the negative stuff out there and deliver that message to the american people. >> when you see the attack ad like the obama super pac ad, accusing your father for being responsible for a woman's death. how do you really feel? >> some of these go too far, clearly. we find them -- the ones that

are untruthful, they're hard to watch. we don't like it. it's not fun. but at the end of the day the reality is people who know my dad best, the people who spent their lives with him or worked with him at some point, are supporting him. the people who know him the least are the once who have the bad things to see. my brothers and my mother know what kind of person he is. we let it roll off the back. some ads take it too far. >> what sort of emotive issues around the republican race this year, the nominee race. you guys are all mormons, obviously. we all know about that faith. when you meet young people, they say the problem with the republican party today is they don't like the apparent intolerance over gay rights, over abortion, over these kind of issues. you're young guys. how do you feel? are you completely wedded and signed up to these positions that the party takes? >> you know, obviously we're not running for president so our

positions don't really matter. but our dad is. one thing i can tell you about him and about us is our faith teaches us to love everybody, regardless of what their situation is, what the orientation is. that's really first and foremost. you love everybody. but as far as policies are concerned, we all believe that family is important. and my dad does as well. that's something worth fighting for. so how that exactly shakes out in the issues, that's up to him to decide. but we all believe the same things. >> i suppose what i'm getting at is some of the language used by some of the republicans, not leveling this at your father but some of the language can be very almost bordering on bigoted. and as you're younger guys it tends to be a bit generational that. do you wish sometimes that the language used by the republicans was less emotive? >> i think my dad's been very compassionate with his views. he believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. but he also is very compassion at and understanding that people have other opinions. i think he's been very

respectful of both sides in that argument. but this race i don't think is going to come down to social issues. we have 23 million americans who are out of work, an economy that's stalling. we've added $5 trillion in debt in the last 3 1/2 years or $7 trillion of debt in the last -- this is going to come down to who can turn the economy around, get things moving again. and people trust me dad on that a lot more than they do barack obama. >> and the mormon faith, we've heard a lot of negatives about mormonism. what are the positives from your point of view? what are the great assets of being a mormon that you would advocate? >> well, in a few brief sentences, i guess, for me at least it's taught me great values in my life, how to live my life, how to treat other people. just like a lot of faiths that are out there, there are a lot of great things about mormonism. how to live your life and treat your neighbor, love others. >> you don't drink, you don't smoke, you don't take drugs, you don't womanize. >> yeah, i mean, these are all things that -- >> you're strapping young guys.

do you ever feel like, dammit. i wish we hadn't been mormons. >> all these things have been great blessings in my life. living by that sort of of code has really been wonderful for me. >> do you think the ethos of family values is really important, craig? let's start with you. do you think it's a great as sunset. >> i hope so. it's something that's very important to us, the values we've been taught from a young age. and they are core principles of our faith. and obviously we're very proud of that. >> let's talk taxation. i know you've been chomping at the bit to get to this. a lot of people say, come on. the old man should just release more of his financial records to just clear up once and for all how much tax he's paid. >> you know, he's paid his taxes. and this is a gimmick by the obama campaign to take the message off the economy and onto my dad's personal taxes. at the end of the day, we have $16 trillion in debt, 23 million americans out of work. and obama continues to talk about my dad's personal taxes. these are not things that really matter in the grand scheme of

things. they want to use the taxes as a gimmick to continue to hit him over the next few weeks to focus on my dad's taxes. the big issue is the economy. the economy is faltering, sputtering along. obama has had 3 1/2 years to get it turned around and he hasn't. that's the real issue. >> how hard is it to be the son of a guy running for president with all the scrutiny and he's stinking rich? which ever way you dress it up you're very rich people. how hard is that when you get people attacking him for his success and his wealth? >> you know, as tagg pointsed out earlier, this is a game of politics. we're prepared for that. but it is tough. it's tough to see that. we know that he did a great job of making that money. he worked very, very hard to do that. and nothing really -- we don't take anything for granted. we know that there are a lot of people out there that are really struggling. >> i think it's one of the great ironies in this elections that president obama is trying to make it a disqualifier to be succes successful. if you had a successful career

in the private sector that disqualifies you from being president. president obama has not had a business career and hasn't had that opportunity but wants to point to my dad's success as being somehow disqualifying. >> knowing your father as you do, do you guarantee to the american people he's got nothing to hide about his finances? >> i know my dad, what he stands for, his value system. he is the most honest guy i know, complete integrity. he's got nothing to hide. he just really wants this to be about the economy, focus on the economy. let's not distract ourselves with all the peripheral issues. let's get down to the real issues. look at his vice-president pick. this is a guy who spent his time in congress really tackling the issues. whether or not you agree or disagree with him on the issues at least he's trying to make a difference. my dad's doing the same thing. he really wants to make the difference. >> are you concerned when your dad pick add running mate who looks like one of his sons? >> you know what? i think paul ryan was a brilliant pick. there are a lot of of political reasons to pick other people. my dad picked the person he thought would do the best job

with him to tackle the debt and get the economy moving again. and to pick up the mantra for the republican party eight years from now when he's out of office. he didn't pick paul ryan for political reasons but he was the right person to pick. i think it says a lot about how my dad will govern. >> it was a bold move. i think people were taken aback by the fact it was audacious. >> you look at what he'll do in office. he's not going to worry about the day-to-day back and forth what's that person going to think. he's going to do what he thinks is the right thing to do and bring the american people along and have them get behind him and lead forward and fix the problems that we're facing right now. >> i want to end with all of you giving me one word which is a great description of your dad. if the one who's already gone before you has already said it you can't use the same word. >> frugal. >> qualified. >> generous. >> father. >> father. >> i said integrity on earlier episode. but i'll say loving as well. he's very loving. >> loving as well. that's a nice way to end.

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do that? >> last week i said this is a guy who i think the last 3 1/2 years has been like in a dark room looking for the light switch of leadership. he hasn't found it for 3 1/2 years. not going to find it in the next 69 days. there's a lot to be said about that. the fact of the matter is that i really believe it case has already been mae, piers. that case has been made against the president. we need -- there's nothing new anyone is going to figure out about the president in the next 69d days. but they need to find out things about our philosophy and how our nominee reflects that philosophy. that's what we did last night. i worked very closely with the romney campaign. they had my draft and knew what i wanted to say. they didn't change a word of my speech. so i have to assume they're real happy with it. >> when it comes to the president, do you think he's an honest man? >> yeah. >> you do? >> sure. >> you don't think he misleads the american public. >> listen, i think his misleads people in political commercials but i don't think that's breaking new ground. i generally think he's an honest person. i also think he's dead wrong on

policy. i think he's led this country in the wrong direction. and i also don't think he has the first idea about how to use executive power. but i don't think that means he's generally a dishonest person. >> has he been dead wrong about everything or can you find things to credit him with? >> with certain areas of education policy i agree with him, trying to empower charter schools and choice around the country. he's been right on that. not everything but some of it. >> foreign policy? >> i'm not going to go through like a checklist with you. >> one of the allegations against the romney-ryan ticket is their lack of foreign policy experience. people are a bit concerned that the romney-ryan ticket is lacking in experience. >> i think the president romney will surround himself with an excellent cabinet and excellent advisers. also a lot of foreign policy in my view, piers, is the willingness of the president to make tough choices. i think that mitt romney will make those tough choices, and he will not be confusing folks out there. he will stand with our friends and stand against our adversaries. he'll get people around him.

the one great thing about mitt, one of the great things is that he's not stuck on being the martest guy in the room. he'll surround himself with extraordinary people to help make his government a success and our country a success. given that people have said why didn't chris christie talk more about mitt romney? given that's the criticism, clearly you didn't intend that from what you told me. what else would you say about the man? you know him better than many people now. >> sure. >> what are the qualities that maybe we're not aware of? >> this is a man with an extraordinarily good heart. i mean, i've watched him interact with my children. you've seen politicians interact with children, especially the ones that don't note first thing about it. it's an abomination. they're patting them on the head like this. not knowing how to deal with them. i've seen governor romney with my children, my 8-year-old and my 11-year-old. he's incredibly engaging with them, cares about them, makes them feel special when he's with them and wants to pay attention to them. this is a guy who's an engaged father, an engaged grandfather. that term tells you something

about his heart. >> do you want to see more of that? his five sons for example, one of them said to me the trouble with daddy he's always a sceo i public. he can't remove the shack else he's had for so long. people don't see the real mitt romney thesee behind closed doors. >> i hope he does. if he does the american people are going to like him and trust him and make him the next president of the united states. i'm convinced of that. when it comes down to trust, this election could come down to the economy and who believes who most about the future for solving the economy. you have an interesting experience in new jersey. you've lowered taxes and balanced budgets. but unemployment has risen to the highest level since 1977. people which will say, look, that's a classic argument against the republican position, right? you've lowered taxes, balanced the budget but it's got you nowhere with unemployment. what do you say with that? >> first of all, the statistics that it's higher in 35 years is wrong. higher in october and november

of 2009 than it is now. that's a bad statistic. secondly what we're doing in new jersey is lowering the number of people wok working for the government. we're making government smaller. that's going to help to unleash the private sector. you'll see the numbers go down over the course of time. >> who do you blame? yourself or barack obama? for unemployment? >> listen, for unemployment? >> in new jersey. >> the fact of the matter is that the national economy has a huge effect on what happens in new jersey. but also i just told you. we made a concerted effort to lower the number of public employees. our government had gotten too big and too bloated. and we needed to make it smaller. that's going to have an effect on those numbers. a short-term effect. but the long-term effect is going to be we're going to take more money out of the government back into the private sector. remember this. we grow 90,000 new private sector jobs since i was elected governor in last 12 months our fourth highest rate in america in the creation of new private sector jobs. the comeback in new jersey has begun. it's going to take us awhile digging out of a heck of a hole but we'll get there. >> people who heard your speech

said this was entirely a pitch and play for him to be president. you. >> i don't understand that. >> you have literally no aspirations to be leader of the free world? >> listen. since last october i have traveled to 15 different states for mitt romney. i sat and allowed you to harass me in my office for an hour that somehow mitt romney was not going to win and rick santorum was going to be the nominee. i steadfastly stood by mitt romney because i believed he would be the nominee and i turned out to be right because i think he's the best person to be president of the united states. so anybody who reads that into it just hasn't watched what i've been doing for the last year which has been working as hard as any outsider for mitt romney and for his election as president. and i'm proud to have done it. >> governor, thank you for talking to me. you made a few things very clear. >> coming up, a man many thought could have been president himself. jed bush on why he believes the romney-ryan ticket is right for

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jed bush has a unique place here at the convention. he's a brother of a former president and the son of another. he also has some advice for mitt romney which he shared with me when we sat down for a wide-ranging interview. >> nobody on probably god's green earth has a better idea of what mitt romney should do to win this election. you've been governor twice. you won two terms in florida key battle ground for the election. your brother and your father were both president. is he a guy who can relate to the ordinary american in the street? >> i say there's two factors to this. one is that he's been reluctant to share what's in his heart and who he is. and the second is, the guy's had the bark scraped off of him by an opponent who wants to change

the conversation as quick as possible away from his economic policy. so if you watch tv ads in florida, where i don't know if you know we're a battle ground state. >> oh, yes. >> so we get a lot of tv ads. you would think mitt romney is everything -- should be in prison for first degree something. >> he did all this -- i was following the trail with the republican nominee race. and to be fair to barack obama, the democrats, mitt romney was beating up all his opponents with equal vigor on the nominee race, wasn't he? they've both been at each other. >> that's right. but to answer your question about why it is that people may not relate to mitt romney, they're seeing tv ads that make him into the devil incarnate. then he's not been as comfortable with showing what's in his heart and who he is. and that's what it is. >> should he have revealed more of his taxes? is one of the problems transparency here, that people know he's very rich but there are ongoing concerns about

exactly why he got to be so rich? >> i happen again i may be an aberration but i think his wealth was earned. he earned it. his success should be celebrated, not be demonized. but we're living in a world where every single aspect of every single little thing is scrutinized in unfair ways. so i'm not sure what the motivation was to do what he did. but he did the same thing john mccain did and there wasn't a big outcry. let's be fair about that. two years of tax returns. you get a pretty good sense of how he's made his money. and where he's paid his taxes. and the tithing that he does which is again pretty remarkable. >> on taxation, many republicans resolutely opposed to any new taxes. you've been suggesting that that may be shouldn't be quite such a rigid position. there's got to be a way of getting this deficit down. some kind of revenue is not

necessarily an alien concept. >> if you get into very orthodox doctrine kind of positions where something that may not be a tax increase is considered one by some third party and therefore you can't abide by it, in order to get entitlement reform done, which if you look at our fiscal structural deficits, and they're huge, 80% of it is spending. 80% of it needs to be fixed with spending. in order to get that done, you have to find through tax reform in all likelihood raising eligibility limits for medicare. i mean, there's a lot of things that could be done that someone might view as a tax increase. it may be an ending of an exemption of some kind. we have to start solving problems. we have to be looking for solutions. >> is it going to be possible to get this deficit significantly reduced from $16 trillion without some tax increase? >> it's possible, sure. you can begin to see a reduction

in the deficit. you're not going to reduce the debt because the debt will grow $1 trillion next year and 1 trillion after that and 10 trillion in ten years. and may even more if we can't grow the economy. so the job number one is to grow the economy. if you grew at 3.5 to 4% per year and that would require substantial changes in policy but it could be done, you would garner more than enough revenue to be able to deal with that 20% for sure. it would change the whole debate about whether you're saying people of high income need to pay more taxes, even though higher income people now, we have the highest progressivity of any country in the developed world. we already pay 1% of the people get 20% of the income and pay 30% of the taxes. i mean, at what point have you said, okay, you've given enough? we need to grow the economy, and then deal with these out year spending costs that are just unacceptable and unsustainable. and tax reform provides the catalyst i think for common

ground to make this happen in a divided country. and look, i just -- i love my country. and i sidi kline in the future unless we begin to solve these problems. and if we can't solve it by having 60 republican senators and a majority in the congress and a republican president with a clear agenda, if that doesn't happen this election then there has to be some compromise. ronald reagan did it. he compromised. and he is now an icon among conservatives as he should be. >> a pleasure to see you. >> next a man who knows more than anybody else about what it's like to run against barack obama. senator john mccain and his wife cindy. why they believe mitt romney will win in november. >> we nominate mitt romney, we do so with a greater purpose than winning an advantage for our party. we charge him with the care of a higher cause. his election represents the best hopes for our country and the

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it has to be a bittersweet time for john mccain, the man who beat mitt romney then ran against barack obama and lost. i sat down with the senator and his wife cindy to talk about the state of the gop and the hurdle for candidate romney in this campaign. >> senator mccain, mrs. mccain, welcome. >> thank you. thanks for having us back. >> sorry we won't let you have beer. >> i think that's gin. >> you're a unique position because you beat mitt romney in a presidential campaign, and you lost to barack obama. there's no one better to talk about this stage of the campaign than you. what is your take? >> i think he's in pretty good shape. and obviously i have enormous bias in his judgment.

but he had a very good speech by his vice-presidential candidate selection. his wife, ann, did a very good job on opening night. but what he's got to fight is the unfavorables that are the result of hundreds of millions of dollars of attack ads by the obama campaign where he was heavily outspent. he won't be after the convention. and also i think the americans are very unhappy with our economy. what they want to see a path forward. and i think that paul ryan kind of laid that out. >> were you pleased in particular to see the issue of faith being openly discussed now by the hierarchy? >> yes. >> paul ryan, i thought it was a very smart thing to say. i'm not a mormon but we share common values and morality. i thought that was a very clever way of actually killing the mormon issue as a problem. >> exactly.

it's about strong values, strong american values which we all share. it's about two men and their wives, of course, that could possibly be the top tier of this government being not only strong in what they believe and strong in their faith, but believing in what's best for the country and moving forward. not putting their personal interests first. >> i think also that there is questions about the mormon faith, as you know. and i think that ann talking about it, and i am convinced that mitt will talk about it. and to tell people that his faith is part of his life, and that's what's made him the person he is today. because the mormon faith has come under significant scrutiny and attack from time to time in our history. >> i think a lot of that is down to the fact he's refused to discuss it. i think that's been a strategic error. i thought if he talked about it openly more often, the kind of cult element stigma that's been

attached to it may have dissipated. in the end it's one of many religions in america. there are many mormons in america. it didn't have to quite be the stigma that it's been allowed to grow into. >> and the mormon faith requires that people go on missions. now, he has said in the past, his mission was one of the important phases of his life. and you know, it's really remarkable. they take these young men and women and send them to a foreign country, they're kind of on their own. their job is to recruit people for their faith. but it broadens them enormously. >> last week the todd aiken row blew up. to me it feels strange that mitt romney who clearly has moved around on say an issue like abortion, paul ryan has moved towards mitt romney's sort of compromise position that there should be exceptions. the gop platform still resolutely insists there cannot be any abortions, even in the cases of rape, incest or health to the mother. as a republican how do you feel

about that? >> i'm sorry for that. as a woman i'm sorry for that. we don't agree on that issue. i mean, i clearly john and i take a different stand on that. but it's also not the most important issue that is driving this campaign. i think outside sources are driving it. but that's not what's -- as a woman and as people here, we're concerned about the economy. >> i suppose the problem is, what it does it lends again succor to the argument the republican party is anti-women. >> i agree with you it was harmful to our party. second of all, the platform some was said at one point, it's what you stand on during the convention, and run away from during the campaign. >> yes. >> and in fact, it's people care what mitt romney's position is, which is the exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. that's what they care about more. the third thing is, i think that's important to keep in mind

that what mr. congressman aiken was talking about was not abortion, it was about rape. all of us find -- that's why all of us find that totally unacceptable. what he said. we were offended that he should state such a thing. and by the way, getting the nomination of your party for the senate or the presidency is a privilege. he has abused that privilege. that's why he should no longer be the candidate of the republican party in missouri. >> senator, as always great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> a pleasure to see you again. >> when we come back, condoleezza rice on her party's message to black voters and for women and why she says she wouldn't want to be -- >> mitt romney and paul ryan will rebuild us at home. and they will help us lead abroad. they will provide an answer to the question, where does america stand? the challenge is real. and the times are hard. but america has met and overcome hard challenges before.

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world and what we offer. >> who better to advice mitt romney and paul ryan on foreign policy than condoleezza rice. her speech in tampa brought the crowd their feet as she defended the pair and their party. before the convention she spoke to me. >> how are you? >> i'm very well, thank you. nice to see you. >> very nice to see you. mitt romney according to all the polls, women and black voters. you are a very high-profile woman and a block voter. the extraordinary poll that said mitt romney was rating literally polling zero amongst black voters in america. >> i do, except i also know a lot depends on how one asks the questions. i'm always a little bit suspicious of polls myself. look what we have to do is -- as a party is to explain to people why these issues, which are so prevalent among americans in general, also speak to concerns

for minorities and women. if you are a black person and you're not concerned about the fact that the unemployment rate among young black men is more than twice the national average, then you're not concerned about minority issues. if you're not concerned about the fact that our schools are failing kids in the least privileged circumstances, many of whom are minorities, then you're not concerned about minority issues. and mitt romney speaks to those issues. and so we have a tendency to say, what are minority issues? well, education. jobs. the sorts of things that most americans are worrying about these days. >> is he focusing enough, though, on the black vote, the female vote? does he need to do more? is that going to be a problem? at the moment there's a perception that mitt romney's decided, you know, barack obama i can't beat him on the black vote so there's no point on a vote i'm not going to get? >> well, look. everybody understands that. ultimately one has to ask are

these policies that are helping america and in particular are they helping some of the most vulnerable among minorities? kids in failing schools. unemployed youth. and the policies aren't helping those constituencies. so i do think mitt romney is speaking to black voters. speaking to women voters who hold many of the same concerns. but it has to be -- there has to be receptivity on the other side too. >> one of the problems the party has, it reared its ugly head last week with the todd akin -- as many extreme positions, as many people see them. that adds to the fire that somehow the party is anti-woman. what did you make of the todd akin thing? you yourself are not as hard line about abortion as many in the party. >> no, no. well, first of all, the way the

party leaders, mitt romney and others, responded should tell people how the party feels about that. it was a statement that -- that really boarded on ridiculous. and i think everybody said that. now, women. the party and women. you saw a parade of women who are leading this party. governors and senators. and i say what more do you want? yes, they are women of conservative views. >> actually what they really wanted was probably you as vp to have a real position of power in the party. >> first of all, nobody wanted that, especially me. >> a lot of people wanted that. >> we, i didn't want that. >> you really didn't want that? >> no, i didn't want that. we've got a great candidate for vice president in paul ryan. >> you've said that you have no desire to be in mitt romney's cabinet should he win in november. not many people believe you. >> well, they should. >> look me straight in the eye.

are you 100% or 99.99%? >> piers, i wrote a memoir called "no higher honor." there is no higher honor. but i've had that honor. and i'm very happy to be, now, a professor at stanford and that's where i'm going to be. >> far more important than anything has been your appointment as one of the first two female members of the augusta national golf club. >> yes. >> a triumph for women all over the world. >> yes. well, i'm very honored. i'm honored that the members of augusta want me to be among their number. it is a beautiful golf course with wonderful traditions. and i said some time ago, you know, the face of me the face of golf is changing, and i'm very grateful to enter with della moore who's also -- >> when you say you're honored. a bunch of old dinosaurs who banned women. it should have happened years ago. >> it happened as it should with private clubs on the timing of the members of that club. but i am honored. i look forward to playing there.

i've got to work a little bit on my short game. >> have you chosen your first partner to play with you? >> no, but i'm working on it. >> i'm available. >> you ready? >> i banned myself till they allowed women back so i've now released my own ban. i can help you with your short game. dr. rice, it's a great pleasure. next, rick and karen santorum. i'll ask the former presidential candidate about his now famous speech and his advice for mitt romney. >> under president obama, the dream of freedom and opportunity has become a nightmare of dependency with almost half of america receiving some sort of government assistance. it's no surprise fewer and fewer americans are achieving their dreams and more and more parents are concerned their children won't realize theirs. president obama spent four years

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rick santorum has come a long way in a few short months from mitt romney's number one challenger to a strong supporter. i sat down with him and his wife, caroline, after the convention speech. welcome, both of you. first of all, let me see the hands. it is all about the hands tonight. >> they asked me to talk about welfare and when i thought about that, i thought about, well, what the center part of welfare reform as i worked on it, because i helped to write the bill was work. when think of work i think of my grandfather and what he did to work his way, and he was not relying on welfare been f benefits as immigrants don't. so i really felt that was a sort of theme to talk about him and his hands which i had talked

about before and the more i thought about it, it, i just thought of all of the people i have met. >> actually i thought it was powerful and i like the way you threaded it through, but what i did not like it so much is that you continued to make out that president obama in some way wants everyone on welfare to forget about going to work, because you in your heart know that is not true. that is not what has happened, is it? >> well, what has happened is a dramatic expansion of government entitlement programs and programs like and more to come, obama care, which is a huge government expansion that is going to quote, guarantee people health insurance, which of course, you know, it does not necessarily mean health care. >> you don't actually believe he wants people on welfare to stop looking for work or -- you don't think that is really what he wants? be honest. >> i think that what the president of the united states in his own mind may believe is that the way to get america

going is the way to dependency and it is a way -- look, people on welfare and i worked with this issue, and people on welfare made rational economic decisions not to work, because the government programs were so generous, that it cost them money to work. these are things that while he may not say, well, i want -- well, does he really believe i don't want people to work? no. but his policies lead to rational decisions which lead to dependency. >> and that is quite an admission you just made, because if you don't believe that is what he really believes, you should be more honest about it. >> no, i think that he believes that the government should do more. i don't believe there is any question that the government should do more and that you cannot trust the private sector and he goes out to uniformly condemns profit, and condemns the private sector, and -- >> are the are so many accurate things that you could go after president obama after, and why not things that which don't really stack up? >> well, i would make the argument that when you dramatically expand the size and

scale of the government, and dramatically expand the social welfare prom groos -- programs and you provide waivers to work requirements and peopldon't talk about it, but two years ago he did a waiver to food stamp requirement, and food stamps have exploded and he has dramatically increased the social welfare state in the country, and you can make the argument that he believes it is a good thing that government should be there not just as a safety net, but should be there to provide sort of a basic. and he is someone who believes in the living wage and government should guarantee a specific wage and yes, he believes in a heavier hand of government a and i would make the argument that leads people to be dependent on washington for them to be provided for, and that is a dangerous thing. >> well, it is good to see you up there, and back on form, and back on fire. i also debate whether i agree with you or not, you are a man who is consistent and that is a powerful thing in a politician. >> well, thank you, i'd rather use the word, i try to be authentic and try to be who i am.